Kevin Rudd and the strip club

The mainstream media really gives me the pip sometimes. The recent reaction to the revelation that Kevin Rudd visited a strip club four years ago is one of those things which irritates me.

If Rudd had misued his position of power in some way, perhaps there would be some reason for the incident to be raised. But otherwise, I think it is utterly irrelevant to the upcoming federal election. I’d prefer that the press focus on real issues. The same would go if the revelations were about any other politician from any other party.

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20 responses to “Kevin Rudd and the strip club

  1. I’m glad Rudd went. It shows he’s human and that the man who will most likely be the next PM is living life in the true Australia way.

  2. adLegem

    Frankly, I don’t care where any pollie goes – as a general rule. However, Rudd has made much of his ‘family’values, God-fearing Christian’ credentials, so he deserved to outed as a hypocrite.

  3. Here here. But I guess this just goes to prove that the media isn’t as interested in covering the real stories that are pertinent to Australian politics as it is in selling newspapers or advertising spots.

  4. Ad Legem, yes, I have found the family values + I’m-more-holy-than-thou aspect to the campaign faintly nauseating. I don’t care what the religion is, what the party is or who the pollie is.

    I take your point about hypocrisy. Okay, fine to mention it, but to focus on it…? Storm in a teacup. To be honest, paradoxically, it makes me feel Rudd is a little more human than I thought. I find his very smooth persona off-putting.

    I’m glad to see that the other pollies aren’t biting on this one though (perhaps they’re worried about what they’ve got in their own closets?)

    Media: please, let’s look at real issues (economy, indigenous politics, workplace relations, education, hospitals, housing etc).

  5. pete m

    Is it a real issue to consider a person who may become Prime Minister and has become so drunk he cannot recall a night out on the town?

    Is it a real issue to consider such a person was so easily led into a strip club?

    Is it a real issue to consider such a person is probably outright lying?

    I do not believe for 1 second that he cannot recall what he saw. He is able to categorically say he didn’t see a lap dance, he didn’t do anything inappropriate, but still maintains he was so affected by alcohol he cannot recall anything else. That is he can say what he didn’t see, but not what he did see. sorry Kevin, you can’t have it both ways with your drunken memory.

    Read his 7.30 report interview transcript. Talk about squirming and avoiding the simple truth – HE SAW BOOBIES. But the socialist christian cannot say it.

    He does say he rang his wife to apologise – for being a goose – but cannot recall what he saw, so what is he apologising for?

    We are entitled to question his judgment (or lack thereof), and seriously question his honesty, given his lies over what he saw and supposedly can’t now recall. Remind you of lunch with Burke?

    You can see all the policy you want any day of the week, and there will be many weeks in this campaign, but don’t forget, this is the man who people expect to provide a fair balance between unions who control Labor, and keeping the economy strong, but who is so easily led astray over a few glasses of wine during dinner.

    I’ve been laughing at his squirming over this for 2 days now – enjoying it emmensely.

    🙂

  6. perhaps they’re worried about what they’ve got in their own closets … I am sure that would be true!

    As for the hypocrisy charge, I don’t think Kevin’s piss-up compares to the spectacular outings (in several senses) that have beset the world of American fundamentalists and televangelists, a religious milieu, I might add, quite unlike anything Kevin Rudd has ever espoused.

  7. GavinM

    Yes PeteM..

    Rudd is such a degenerate for going to a strip club 4 years ago….Unlike Mr. Howard who has never told any lies during his entire time in office…

    I wonder how many other blokes you would consider as unfit people for getting drunk and going to one of these establishements…It would be interesting to know what percentage of the male (and female, for that matter), population of Australia have had too much to drink at some stage and gone to a strip club..Are they all people who are unfit to hold office — lets not forget Brendan Nelson said he went to one once too..

    I would suggest that the reason there hasn’t been much said about this by other Pollies is pretty simple, most, if not all, of them have done the same thing at some stage…

    Boy, I sure hope you’ve led a pure life, totally without sin, considering you’re so willing to criticise others..

    So, in answer to your question — No, it isn’t a real issue…real issues are the economy, security, health, education..

    Maybe I can ask you, is the AWB scandal an issue ? Was the Tampa a real issue ? Was the children overboard incident a real issue ? Mr. Howard was happy to skirt the truth — (Note: I’m being generous here), over all of them.

  8. adLegem

    ninglun: but we’re talking about an Aisutralian political leader, not American loons.
    Legal Eagle: agreed – time to leave all alone now.

  9. Good rebuttal, Gavin M – the other side ain’t exactly lily white either.

    I think I’m just particularly grumpy because I am blue about job insecurity and housing insecurity in my own life at the moment: I’d be happy with any party which addressed these issues in a frank manner (not just a shiny soundbite with no substance).

    I went to a (male) strip club once, for a hen’s night. I don’t think I’d ever go again. Not my cup of tea at all. But it was interesting to attend one of these things once.

  10. GavinM

    Hello LE…

    Sorry, it was a bit of a rant on my part…Sadly politicians, regardless of what side they are on will say and do whatever they think will win an election…Telling lies is all part of the game.

    As to the rights and wrongs of going to a strip club..Well, it’s a legal business and he went there in his own time, so I guess the only person Mr. Rudd really needs to apolgise to is his wife — which apparently he did the same night…Therefore, I reckon end of story….

  11. Me too! Let’s say no more on the topic, more important things to think about…

  12. adLegem

    BTW: once I work out what an ‘Aisutralian’ is, I’ll get back to you.
    Shudder.

  13. pete m

    gavinm – re-read my post. I did not say he was a degenerate for going into a strip club.

    I said “easily led”, got so drunk he can’t recall many details, and now is so badly trying to cover it up it is making a fairly harmless situation worse.

    To see how it does make it worse, read bolt’s column on him. and yes you should read what the right thinks, and not just those you may instantly agree with.

    ps “immensely”

    btw I am not going for the PM’ship, and when I do, we can talk about my imperfect life.

    LE – no government will ever give you job security or housing security. These you need to work on yourself.

    One govt I know has brought unemployment down from 9-10% to 4%, and has seen more people buy homes than ever before, all without creating runaway inflation, and absorbing the biggest share market fall since the depression with barely a whimper in the media, or more importantly, the economy.

    But sure – politics is for another blog.

  14. PeteM, my husband works his butt off. However, he is a research scientist, and so his salary doesn’t compare with that of a lawyer, doctor, or accountant, for example. In order to get a decent job, he also had to do a PhD. We’re still paying HECS on that. So that meant that it took 8 years before he could be earning full time. I also work as hard as I can, but because I haven’t done the corporate law thing, and because I actually want to spend time with my child, I don’t earn as much as a corporate lawyer.

    I resent the suggestion that somehow we haven’t worked hard enough. We work our butts off, but we still can’t afford a house. Sure, I could put my child in childcare 5 days a week, but as a parent of a young child yourself, I’m sure you’d understand (a) how heartbreaking that would be and (b) that the financial advantage wouldn’t be that great because of the childcare I’d have to pay anyway.

    I get consistently excellent reviews for my lecturing (if I do say so myself), and I have been told that I have a very good level of publication for someone so junior. But the university at which I work lacks funding. It has told me that perhaps in a year or two, if it gets more funding, it would love to take me on an ongoing basis, but until then, I’ve just got to keep on accepting 6 month contracts. It can’t promise me anything. Other universities which I have approached are the same.

    What am I to do? I work myself to the bone. Full time PhD, pretty much full time lecturing load, and I’m doing consulting work just so that we can afford to get a deposit up. Oh, yes, and I have a 19 month old child whom I care for. I am doing my absolute bloody best.

    I have a number of quibbles on a personal level with the present government:

    1. It does not prioritise education. It does not adequately fund universities, even top universities like the one at which I work. Therefore, the university at which I work cannot offer me ongoing work.

    2. Our society does not value scientific research work. Some professions (corporate lawyers, corporate accountants, merchant bankers, dentists, doctors) earn a lot more than a scientist does. But my husband works just as hard, just as long hours, and he contributes to our society in a very important way (he is involved in improving vaccines). In fact, he does a hell of a lot more good for society than any lawyer I know.

    I do believe that government policy and funding decisions could change the way in which scientists are valued in this country. As it is, we suffer an immense “brain drain”, because scientists leave to go to other countries where they are paid better. Believe me, we’ve considered it very seriously.

    3. The Howard government cut capital gains tax, and increased deductions for those who have investment properties. All great for those who have homes, but it had the net effect of driving house prices up.

    Then, of course, there’s the question of where you stand on the more theoretical issues which don’t affect you directly (indigenous issues, refugees, immigration, all that kind of stuff). But I’m just focusing on the personal here.

    I’ve noticed a real divide amongst my friends and family. You would fit among the first group: the group who have houses, who have investments and the like. They all want the Howard government to remain in power because they want the economy to remain stable. This is the group which has money. Fair enough too. If I had money, perhaps I’d feel the same.

    Then there’s the second group: which includes me. These are the people who don’t have houses, who have difficulty finding an affordable place to rent, who do not have a proper ongoing contracts, who feel like they have nothing stable in life. The economy may be booming, but as far as I’m concerned, it means f*** all to me. I have no investments, I have no house, I have no stable job.

    I understand where you are coming from. My parents have similar opinions, because they are depending on investments and the like to fund their retirement, and they are very worried that a different government will stuff up the economy. I respect that. But it has to be recognised that Howard’s government has not brought advantages to everyone. I am one of the ones to whom it has not brought benefits, and I know a number of other young families who are in the same position.

    The next question is: will a Rudd government manage to balance the interests of people like you while helping people like my husband and I? I’m sorry to be cynical, but I severely doubt it. I’m a bit down at the moment.

  15. He went to a strip club. He had a few drinks. Big frickin’ deal. Most have done so in their time.

    Like LE, I’ve also been to a male strip show for a hens’ night. (Admittedly, the only part I enjoyed was when I got a little tipsy and started reverse-heckling the strippers. I may or may not have yelled ‘PUT YOUR CLOTHES BACK ON! NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THAT!! YOUR NAME’S NOT THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS, IT’S WAYNE, YOU TOLD ME SO BEFORE!’)

    As a teacher, I have to regularly talk to my students about values. Does my attending a friend’s hens night then make me a hypocrite and unfit for my role?

  16. GavinM

    Hello PeteM..

    John Howard himself admitted this week that the Australian Government has very little control over interest rates in Australia…They are controlled by the world economic markets…If the stockmarkets in Japan and the US are going well, our interest rates stay low…If those markets falter, our rates increase…Therefore it would be reasonably logical to think that if a Labor government was in power over the last 11 years, our rates would be precisely the same as they have been under Howard.

    The fact that Australia was relatively untouched by the temporary crisis in Asian markets a while back was because of the tough decisions made in those Asian countries that got their markets back on line…Nothing to do with anything, (did they actually DO anything), that Howard / Costello did.

    It always amuses me when Liberal pollies and their supporters start going on about the 17 – 18% interest rates that were around when Hawke/Keating were in power….(I was not in Australia at that time, so only have an inkling from news reports as to what effect those rates had)…They seem quite conveniently to forget the 22+% rates that were in when Howard was treasurer to Fraser.

    As to your point regarding wether Rudd attending a strip club is an issue…I don’t need to re-read your post, you stated that his attendance was a real issue…I still would contend that the only real and important issues for a Government are to do with economy, employment, security, health, education etc…

    Your suggestion for me to read Bolt’s column on Rudd is hilarious, given Bolt’s political leaning, and previous pieces he has written, I’m sure that would be a really balanced and objective article.

    For the record, I’m certainly no Lefty, I’ve had plenty of arguments with them on Jeremy Sears’ site, and have been called everything from a zionist, to a nazi, to a racist all in the one comment (not by Jeremy)….I’m very definitely middle of the road…I lean left or right depending on the issue.

    Hello Blonde Canadian..

    Here’s a confession, when I was in the Legion, I attended strip clubs a few times with friends when on leave, but I also talk about values now to my children, so I guess I’m a hypocrite too..

  17. LDU

    LE,

    I know a lady who swapped law for real estate. She’s making a shitload more as a real estate agent compared to her income as a solicitor.

  18. You’re a sweetie, LDU, but I’d make a terrible real estate agent. Don’t have the chutzpah for it. I’ll just stick with what I’m doing. I know we’ll get through this rough patch, just gotta keep working hard and keeping my mind on the good things in life (healthy happy family, lots of good friends)

  19. pete m

    LE – I agree that the scientific areas of employment are grossly underfunded, by both private and govt. My best friend had to move to Hobart for work as a fisheries biologist, and earns a nice income from a UN commission. His wife luckily found work with CSIRO, but it took 10 years of struggle for her to get a “safe” position.

    universities – also underfunded. 1 reason I supported (a reasonable contribution, not #$%@#$% full cost) HECS was so that the money went back into unis, plus more from the tax pool. Given the record surpluses, I cannot see why unis are not getting proper funding.

    Gavin – it is poor form to knock an article you haven’t read. Bolt recently called for Andrews to resign, for Howard to quit etc. You may be surprised to read what he has to say. I read AL too, and have yet to see anything which may knock his side of the political fence. All good.

    lastly, LE, I wasn’t born with a silver spoon, and still struggle supporting our own little one, so please don’t make assumptions. Nor was I suggesting you are not working hard enough. Sorry if you took it that way. From age 15 to 35 I lived in rental property – I still would be, but for marriage and the forced sale of some other property.

  20. Sorry, Pete M, I realised after I wrote that that I was overreacting. I know that you are a genuine fellow, and respect your views. I didn’t think you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, but I did presume you were better off than I because I presumed you work in corporate law, which could be a false assumption on a number of levels. Just touchy at the moment and miserable at the moment. 😦

    Oh well, I can take inspiration from your story and hope that we will be able to afford a place eventually. 🙂

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